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« : 21 Декабрь 2009, 19:25:27 »

Поскольку все консалтинговые фирмы всегда рассказывают о себе только самое хорошее, многим будет интересен взгляд изнутри (непредвзятость не гарантирую).

Интересно, что Bain почти не критикуют (наверное, не за что  ;).

Итак...

Boston Consulting Principal:   (Current Employee)
“It was great while it lasted, but now I am completely burnt to a crisp, cynical, and bitter...”


Pros

The first 2 years are an irreplacable experience in getting responsibility beyond your years and learning that you could probably do anything if you tried hard enough, and thought hard enough. That kind of formative generalist confidence building is the gift I'd like to give my kids it's so great. Even when it feels awful or you've stayed up too many nights in a row, and you're beyond recognizing yourself, you know you kick ass. And you're not an arrogant tool about it. That, all in all, is pretty great.

Cons

Now feeling burned out... > 5 years in, and I realize the toll that being commercial and mercenary take on you (meaning, you figure out what the client's agenda is, and you sell them the most expensive thing you can - when you're the product as well as the salesperson, it can be pretty demeaning to say "oh yeah, I know last year I was a sales and marketing expert but now I'm a supply chain expert" or a post-merger integration expert or...). Also, work shifting rapidly to "transformation" or "implementation", or whatever it is, it means doing all the crap work for two massive merging entities, a lot of template filling, stressful, repetitive, high stakes crap work and getting paniced cell phone calls at 2am. Ever heard of people right out of college sleeping with their blackberries on loud next to their pillow? It does happen, even if we try our hardest to make the culture averse to that. Selling these cases makes great margins (can sell more junior folks at higher mark up) and lasts for a long time (it takes forever to stick two big companies together) and generates great relationships (we do get to know all the top people, which helps us sell the next bit of work) and delivers lots of value (cutting 3 months off the time it takes the new organization up and running effectively is worth a hell of a lot of money vs. everyone sitting around complaining) but... I won't do another case like that. My outside opportunities are far more exciting - and potentially more lucrative.

I'm not willing to put up with another year (or 2, or...) to become partner and then be the bottom guy on the totem pole again. My life, my family are worth too much to me. People who succeed here in the long term are those who prioritize work and success above all else. BCG is a very easy place to measure yourself if you like to be measured. If you worked like a hamster in high school to get into an ivy league college, and you worked like a hamster to get the right first job out of college, and you worked like a hamster to get into the right grad program, and you envision working like a hamster for the rest of your life to grab the next brass ring in front of you, then BCG will be happy to provide you with brass rings. As they say, "the learning curve just gets steeper". If you can handle the thought of being a hamster for the rest of your life (albeit a hamster who gets to talk to CEOs and other important leaders about what to do) then come here - you'll be one happy hamster.

And it is true, there is a concentration of very clever, very talented, very interesting people there. But the work is often mindless (eg, "let me do whatever I can to put some crap on paper because the partners will change it anyway, and then the senior partners will change it too, so it might as well be crap") at the same time as it is intellectually challenging (eg, "what an interesting question to be asked the tough open-ended questions like 'what's wrong with my marketing department' by a CEO who's known for having a great marketing department, or 'when and how should I enter China' by a CEO who's known for being good at international expansion"). Ultimately, I wouldn't advise anyone against taking this job if you can possibly get it - but decide early on what your exit point and strategy will be because if you just follow the "path of least resistance" and get promoted every couple of years, it'll sap the life out of you. And you won't know your family / wife / kids / dog / fish / friends as well as you used to any more. And that ain't worth any amount of salary or time spent with senior leaders.

All the above applies to post-graduate school. If you can possibly join BCG post college, do it. Kick, scream, steal, lie, do what you need to do to get that job.

Advice to Senior Management

Accept that there will be a surreal amount of attrition next year, especially among valued senior leadership who are tired out.
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« Ответ #1 : 21 Декабрь 2009, 19:27:02 »

A.T. Kearney Associate in Chicago, IL:   (Past Employee - 2008)
“Generic consulting firm with no new ideas”


Pros

It's a generic consulting firm that deals with old-business industries and old-business ideas. If your goal is to just make money and go to business school, this is a great place to start.

Cons

New ideas are not welcome, senior management does not respond well to feedback, co-workers routinely throw each other under the bus in order to advance themselves. Strap in, follow the rules, kiss up and the money and recommendations will not be a problem.

Advice to Senior Management

You are not movers and shakers. Your work is the same work you've done for years, the same methodologies with different packaging. Take some risks, invest in actually creating new ideas or cheaper firms will eat up your market.


A.T. Kearney Anonymous:   (Past Employee - 2009)
“Practical, yet mind-numbingly uninteresting”


Pros

- Down-to-earth people, yet also friendly, pragmatic, and smart
- A genuine interest, at manager level, to improve junior consultants' performance
- Plenty (almost too much) face time with the client
- "Green" initiatives being employed at most offices in North America
- Offices are very open; partners usually have an open-door policy

Cons

- Simply put, the firm's outlook is horrible. Its hiring strategy in 2009 indicates that the firm is way off-base when it comes to establishing workforce targets and effectively projecting workloads over the next year.
- Workload is brutal (~70+ hours), and the client locations aren't much to shake a stick at (want to spend a summer in central Kentucky?)
- "Global firm" model means that you could be travelling across the street for a client or across the country on a red-eye; lots of variability
- Virtually zero strategy work; it's all sourcing, cost reduction, and IT work at this point
- Creativity is simply not valued. A lot of ATK's intellectual capital (which is fantastic) is almost used as a crutch in client engagements
- Establishing a positive rapport with the client is frowned upon
- Review processes are opaque

Advice to Senior Management

Aligning hiring targets with the firms you want to become (BCG, McK, Bain) would be the first step. Otherwise, there's no way you'll be able to win against the big guys. In addition, you should learn to appreciate the talent you hire -- word travels fast at business schools how you really ran some of your people through the ringer, and it's only going to harm you when top talent has a choice between not only M/B/B, but some of the firms that you're beating for work but have a stronger culture.
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« Ответ #2 : 21 Декабрь 2009, 19:28:32 »

McKinsey & Company Senior Associate in Stamford, CT:   (Current Employee)
“THE place for developing razor sharp thought and people leadership through a learn as you go model”



Pros

- Distinctive people: Every individual you meed has a great story, and something unique and distinctive about them
- Exceptional access and exposure: At every client, one interacts with the most senior individuals providing a great opportunity to counsel and impact the way they run business, and also to learn from them (though not actively encouraged...as we "know it all")
- Skill building: Every situation provides an opportunity to learn and develop skills, whether it be to influence clients, build models, create pages and most importantly, the power to structure, synthesize and draw that valuable insight

Cons

- Not a caring meritocracy anymore: This is something that has taken a hit. The importance of people has diminished and the caring part vanishes especially if you need help. When I started 10 years ago, if you raise you hand people will rush to help. Nowadays if one puts the hand up, people rush, more often away from you
- A culture of push, push and push: Nobody joins McKinsey for lifestyle. However, the currently focus of partners seem to continuously push the clients and the team hard without any substance. In one case, we were working late in the night to prepare for a training program the next day, without a client team in place. This is leading to significant strain and excessive pressure on the associate ranks
- Struggle to balance expertise vs generalist: McKinsey is still not sure whether it wants to build experts or generalists and career paths especially within practices are still grey and your career depends on the partners you work for.

Advice to Senior Management

- Bring the caring back into the meritocracy: Respect each individual and don't consider each one the same and put them through the "Review Committee" grinder
- Demonstrate the risk taking and leadership McKinsey is famous for to walk away from work where we do not add value vs destroying client relationships and more importantly the morale of its frontlines


McKinsey & Company Associate Principal in Detroit, MI:   (Current Employee)
“"Terrible place to waste your life"”



Pros

- Looks good on resume
- Learn how to make up stuff, look good
- Learn how to navigate company politics

Cons

- McK consultants lack integrity / honesty; they consistently try to prove their "hypothesis", often rejecting facts/data to the contrary.
- At AP level your chances of being elected partner depend on who your clients are and who your friends are at the firm. To be elected, you will need to kiss ass to at least a few directors, accept all the work you can physically handle, take credit for things you didn't actually do (in McKinsey speak, this is called "leverage"), and create a 'story' around your election 'platform'. A director recently put it to me this way ... "you need to draw that target around the arrow." Election has nothing to do with upward feedback, performance.
- McKinsey partners prey on weak and insecure managers. I've seen partners discuss who is weakest and most insecure, and scheme to take advantage of the situation
- McKinsey has a 'core client' policy that favors selected clients over others. Clients that are not 'core' will get second rate consultants on their studies ('core client' study managers get first pick at staffing a study)

Advice to Senior Management

- Bring back honesty and integrity to the consulting profession
- Respect your clients; learn to be more humble
- Respect your associates/BAs/EMs.
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« Ответ #3 : 21 Декабрь 2009, 19:29:19 »

Oliver Wyman Partner in New York, NY:   (Current Employee)
“Oliver Wyman a risk analytics firm”



Pros

great place to forge relationships with other young hard working professionals.
free snacks. the free wheeling management style can make it interesting to get experience. attempt to balance personal and work life.

Cons

A "me too" management consulting firm.
Narrowly focused on solutions in the risk management analytics space.
Poor focus on knowledge building.
More seat-of-the-pants management style.
Even with the expertise in risk management and having worked extensively for clients that no longer exist in the financial services space were unable to understand the magnitude of the financial crisis.
Infact had a document circulated to consultants talking about the exaggeration of the impact of the crisis put out by one of their rising star partner . These were meant as talking points to advise clients that they should continue with their programs as if business-as-usual.

Advice to Senior Management

Focus on your area of competence -- you do not have the bench strength to be a manangement consulting firm
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« Ответ #4 : 21 Декабрь 2009, 21:21:05 »

Все это так, но консалтинговые компании очень сильно отличаются от офиса к офису, а уж от страны к стране - еще сильнее. Так что если вы собираетесь работать в московских офисах, то для вас это информация к сведению, но не принимайте ее слишком близко к сердцу. Вот если вы прочитали такой отзыв, оставленный консультантом московского офиса, то это совсем другое дело.
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« Ответ #5 : 24 Декабрь 2009, 09:10:55 »

Все это так, но консалтинговые компании очень сильно отличаются от офиса к офису, а уж от страны к стране - еще сильнее. Так что если вы собираетесь работать в московских офисах, то для вас это информация к сведению, но не принимайте ее слишком близко к сердцу. Вот если вы прочитали такой отзыв, оставленный консультантом московского офиса, то это совсем другое дело.

общие тенденции, тем не менее, сохраняются
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« Ответ #6 : 04 Декабрь 2012, 21:03:21 »

Поддерживаю Farvater

А Cognoscenti  наверно  просто себе конкуренцию убирает, думая что читающие прочитают и не подадут туда свои резюме :-) потому что что бы там не говорили, консалтинг это круто
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« Ответ #7 : 27 Июль 2013, 12:46:19 »

Все это так, но консалтинговые компании очень сильно отличаются от офиса к офису, а уж от страны к стране - еще сильнее. Так что если вы собираетесь работать в московских офисах, то для вас это информация к сведению, но не принимайте ее слишком близко к сердцу. Вот если вы прочитали такой отзыв, оставленный консультантом московского офиса, то это совсем другое дело.
Есть и отзывы наших соотечественников. Как я понял, сайт sorera.ru копирует принцип glassdoor.com. Вот что пишут о pwc (другие консалт. компании не смотрел):

Положительные стороны
Работать в PricewaterhouseCoopers в первую очередь означает работать в выдающимися людьми. Сложно представить какое-либо другое место, где Вы могли бы получить столько поддержки от своих коллег.
Кроме того, перед Вами всегда будет стоять амбициозная задача. Не будет времени скучать или деградировать, у Вас будет только один путь - вперед! Сравнивая то, что делает моя команда, с тем чем занимаются люди на аналогичных должностях в других компаниях, я могу утверждать, что мы используем лучшие инструменты и технологии, так что PwC - отличное место для профессионального развития.
Отдельно стоит отметить международное окружение, которое добавляет значительную долю интереса ко всему чем мы занимаемся.

Отрицательные стороны
Задумываясь об отрицательных сторонах, первое, что приходит в голову - слабый баланс работы и личной жизни. Работа сама по себе интересная и захватывающая, но ее просто очень много. Находится на работе все дни напролет вряд ли является желанием большинства людей, однако высшее руководство это судя по всему не заботит.
Сравнивая уровень заработных плат и льгот с другими игроками, я бы сказал, что уровень более или менее везде одинаковый, но возвращаясь к вопросу про баланс работа\личная жизнь, я бы не сказал, что компания платит достаточно.
Не все сотрудники видят перспективы собственного карьерного развития в компании, руководству стоит проделывать больше работы в данном направлении.
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« Ответ #8 : 27 Июль 2013, 21:01:33 »

Положительные стороны
Работать в PricewaterhouseCoopers в первую очередь означает работать в выдающимися людьми. Сложно представить какое-либо другое место, где Вы могли бы получить столько поддержки от своих коллег.

извините, Вы случайно не из HR отдела?
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« Ответ #9 : 27 Июль 2013, 22:10:23 »

Положительные стороны
Работать в PricewaterhouseCoopers в первую очередь означает работать в выдающимися людьми. Сложно представить какое-либо другое место, где Вы могли бы получить столько поддержки от своих коллег.

извините, Вы случайно не из HR отдела?
Нет, я вообще с пвц не связан. Просто увидел тему про glassdoor, с их сайтом знаком довольно хорошо из другой области. По АйТи вопросам на сорера.ру забредал, там находилась полезная инфа, вот и решил братьям-консалтерам помочь :)
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